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    Question Why the fuq don't we fly flags at half staff for soldiers?

    So we half staff flags across the entire us for these students who died, but not soldiers who die all the time? What the fuck gives? Oh I know. The Pres. wants to hide the fucking reality of the war.

    Here is a opinion piece just put up about it

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274805/
    Soldier: Why half-staff for Va. Tech, not troops?

    Military publishes opinion piece after controversy at Afghan base


    KABUL, Afghanistan - An Army sergeant complained in a rare opinion article that the U.S. flag flew at half-staff last week at the largest U.S. base in Afghanistan for those killed at Virginia Tech but the same honor is not given to fallen U.S. troops here and in Iraq.

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    http://www.usflag.org/nffhalfstaff.html

    Some people just don't know the proper etiquette. Overuse of half-staff flag bearing diminishes the meaning. Not to say that we shouldn't recognize/sympathize the deaths of fallen soldiers or students, but this gesture should only be used for Presidents IMO.

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    Half staff is usually reserved for important people or a tragedy. We did that for Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and 9-11, just in recent memories.

    Soldiers die everyday. Not that I'm saying it's not a tragedy, but if we fly the flag at half staff for soldiers then our flags will never be at full height because we have global commitment and our soldiers die everyday around the globe.

    In WW2, we lost on the average of 292 soldiers every single day. Our flag was never at half staff except for the day when Roosevelt died.

    I have to confirm that, but I believe that was the case.
    Trust me. I know what I am doing.

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    Out here there are places that keep the flags at half mast. Not shocking seeing as there are 400 million bases on this island

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    Iraq is a fucking tradgedy, I think they don't want to fly it half-staff for the next however many years are left of the clusterfuck.

    yeah, 32 dead and we feel so sorry, shit like that happens in Iraq every few hours.

    Yay, who cares, it's just Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    Iraq is a fucking tradgedy, I think they don't want to fly it half-staff for the next however many years are left of the clusterfuck.

    yeah, 32 dead and we feel so sorry, shit like that happens in Iraq every few hours.

    Yay, who cares, it's just Iraq.
    Iím sorry.. Iraq is not a tragedy but your ignorance is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    Iím sorry.. Iraq is not a tragedy but your ignorance is.
    My Ignorance? Would you care to enlighten me?

    WMD?

    Imminent Threat?

    Al Queda Ties?

    All Lies.

    We are caught in the middle of a civil war

    :new_rofl:

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    Flags fly at half staff in the hometowns of the soldiers that are returned for
    burial. They are duly and rightfully honored in many different ways when they
    make the ultimate sacrifice. You can't blame the President for every damn
    thing. Although, I know it's easier for small minds to comprehend reality if
    they capsulize it into the simplest terms so it can be absorbed. The Main
    Stream Media is mostly at fault for that. Think of the Main Stream Media as
    Momma bird. She pre-chews and pre-digests your food, then pukes up only
    what she wants you to consume.

    People like Mr Bitch are so gloriously ignorant about the facts that
    numerous members of Congress, who now oppose the war, were for it until it
    got ugly. They made speeches about Saddam and his WMD's (which we know
    he had because he gassed the shit out of his own people) and all the other
    stuff that we know to be true, but in hindsight it's easier to blame it on "lies"
    than to remember historically how many of the bed wetters in Congress were
    for the war... before they were against it

    War is terrible. But, it's kind of like the V-Tech shootings that Mr Bitch has
    been pissing and moaning about... do you want to cower, surrender, and die?
    Or do you want to take steps to minimize or eliminate the threat(s) so your life
    and others lives can be preserved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMan View Post
    Flags fly at half staff in the hometowns of the soldiers that are returned for
    burial. They are duly and rightfully honored in many different ways when they
    make the ultimate sacrifice. You can't blame the President for every damn
    thing. Although, I know it's easier for small minds to comprehend reality if
    they capsulize it into the simplest terms so it can be absorbed. The Main
    Stream Media is mostly at fault for that. Think of the Main Stream Media as
    Momma bird. She pre-chews and pre-digests your food, then pukes up only
    what she wants you to consume.
    Good, people are recognizing the tradgedy, so there has been a flag at half staff somewhere for the soldiers dying in this piece of shit war.

    People like Mr Bitch are so gloriously ignorant about the facts that
    numerous members of Congress, who now oppose the war, were for it until it
    got ugly. They made speeches about Saddam and his WMD's (which we know
    he had because he gassed the shit out of his own people) and all the other
    stuff that we know to be true,
    No, You're lying like your president does. There WERE no WMDs, Saddam did gas the kurds (with technology acquired by the US) and those weapons were LONG gone before even Gulf War 1. If he had them he would have used them, or maybe they're still being trucked around the desert so we can't find them? LOL

    What "other shit" Iraq was not responsible for 9/11, Iraq had no ties to Al Queda. Those being the two other major reasons we invaded.

    Members of congress were lied to as well, they voted on information provided by the White House. They are backing out now not because "shit went bad" but because the truth came to light that There WERE no WMDS or ties to Al Queda.

    but in hindsight it's easier to blame it on "lies"
    than to remember historically how many of the bed wetters in Congress were
    for the war... before they were against it
    The original reports showed imminent threat/WMD/Ties to Al Queda which all turned up to be false.... I changed my mind too when I found out we were wrong.

    What else, they don't want us there.

    [quote]
    War is terrible. But, it's kind of like the V-Tech shootings that Mr Bitch has
    been pissing and moaning about... do you want to cower, surrender, and die?
    Or do you want to take steps to minimize or eliminate the threat(s)[quote]

    Iraq was never a threat, they were so pigeonholed and contained after Gulf War 1 that they didn't have a leg to stand on.


    Iraq is a quintessential turning point in US foreign relations. It's the first time we made the switch from the great defender, to the great imperialist. It has cost us 400+ billion dollars and who knows how much more. Not only that, it was 400+ Billion we did not have, we are funding our war with China's pocketbook.

    This administration has led us down a path that we may not be able to recover from.

    p.s. Nice Approval Ratings. Worst President EVER.

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    I just want to say something about the WMD issue, Because I think you can at least pass the straight face test on the other issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    My Ignorance? Would you care to enlighten me?

    WMD?

    Imminent Threat?

    Al Queda Ties?

    All Lies.

    We are caught in the middle of a civil war

    :new_rofl:
    Claiming that the US government lied about Iraq having WMD is not a defensible stance IMO. It has for all intensive purposes been shown that IRAQs chemical weapon capabilities had fallen apart over the years, and appeared to no long pose a threat. This discovery does not make the previous assumption a lie, or even a conspiracy's to mislead the US people. During the lead up to the war, most all major countries, international organization, and even hard line democratic politicians *gasp* (don't make me show you the footage) operated under the assumption that Iraq DID have chemical weapons. France, Russia, the UN... EVERYONE believed he had them, but disagreed on what to do about it.

    You can argue that we should have handled it differently, but unless you're buried so deep in the rhetoric you cant keep you head above water, you can't argue it was "lies"

    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    p.s. Nice Approval Ratings. Worst President EVER.
    It's possible that history might prove that statement right, but I am not going to rush to judgment just yet. That statement has been made of almost every President that has stepped into that office... Lincoln (possibly hated more than bush, until he was assassinated), Regan, Clinton, Carter etc. etc... Only Time will tell, and you don't do yourself any favors by stating it.

    Its kinda of like using Nazi references in any debate. My Government professor in college had the "Nazi Rule"... First person to use a Nazi reference in their argument AUTOMATICALLY lost and needed to sit down and be quite. Because, the statement is so loaded, and can be used so haphazardly, it lowers the level of discussion whenever its used.
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    Are you talking about Poland?

    Maybe Afrika Bambatta and the Zulu nation?

    The point is, you use diplomacy, you don't haphazardly invade other nations. And look at the end result, it's a fucking TRADGEDY what has become of Iraq. A Tradgedy for them, for us, and for the future.

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    Yea we shouldn't ever hold up UN resolutions. We should just make them and pussy foot around them. Sounds like a PLAN!

    I'm not defending this moronic chief, but I am defending that someone had to go in there and push their weight around. If no one does we should just dissolve the POS UN and move on.

    They tried diplomacy and got kicked out IRAQ. Don't you recall?

    Stupid fucking thread hijacked.

    Anyways......

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    lol Sliver

    I wish we could fly the flags at half-staff for every single person who is
    every killed in the fight against the tyranny of Muslim extremists, genocidal
    dictators, and terrorists in general. But the flag would never fly all the
    way at the top ever again. I guess they could just start making all flag
    poles half the length they are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[sliver] View Post
    Yea we shouldn't ever hold up UN resolutions. We should just make them and pussy foot around them. Sounds like a PLAN!

    I'm not defending this moronic chief, but I am defending that someone had to go in there and push their weight around. If no one does we should just dissolve the POS UN and move on.

    They tried diplomacy and got kicked out IRAQ. Don't you recall?

    Stupid fucking thread hijacked.

    Anyways......
    Resolutions were being held up. But how the hell do we justify holding up UN resolutions when our invasion was against the will of the UN? None of the resolutions ever said "do this or be completely fucking annihilated"

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    Resolutions were being held up.
    You have got to be friggin' kidding me! You're worse off than I thought.

    LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMan View Post
    lol Sliver

    I wish we could fly the flags at half-staff for every single person who is
    every killed in the fight against the tyranny of Muslim extremists, genocidal
    dictators, and terrorists in general. But the flag would never fly all the
    way at the top ever again. I guess they could just start making all flag
    poles half the length they are now.
    sounds good to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    Iím sorry.. Iraq is not a tragedy but your ignorance is.
    Id have to say your the ignorant one, saying Iraq isnt a tragedy is like saying Bush being re-elected was'nt either.

    jackass

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMan View Post
    You have got to be friggin' kidding me! You're worse off than I thought.

    LMAO
    your sig owns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunapants View Post
    Id have to say your the ignorant one, saying Iraq isnt a tragedy is like saying Bush being re-elected was'nt either.

    jackass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunapants View Post
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    Can I have naked pics of your mom?
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