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    Quote Originally Posted by x[bodyshot] View Post
    What are Americanized Asians?
    That would probably be me. I collect guns, play hockey, prefer meat and potatoes, and have actually been called a "redneck" before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[codered] View Post
    Count me in Con. I've been working since I was 15, I've had enough. I want the world to help me out.
    Hey you can't quit. I need more people to pay taxes to support me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[con] View Post
    I don't know. How fucked are we? You're still here. You still have a computer. You still have power to run it. You still have internet connection.

    I still have a job. I still have a condo. Gasoline is coming down in price.

    Yeah the stock market is down. But look, if you plot the Dow numbers over its entire history, or just over the last 30 years, you will see that it rose on a very steady curve, jumped starting 1995, and started to choke in 2007.

    Let's examine what happened in 1995 and what happened in 2007. Ah yes, the republicans took over congress in 1995 and the democrats took it back in 2007.

    I have lots of correlations.
    Yeah, I'm alright, but I'm not selfish and I'm also not the entire country. Just by my income alone I'm in the upper 10% maybe upper 5. I also work for the government.

    We have a ten trillion dollar debt, double what it was 8 years ago, we have the largest deficit ever this year, we are involved in two wars that, under bush doctrine, have no end in sight. We have no foreign policy, we've lost all moral high ground with other nations. We're bailing out private banks with money that we don't have (we're just printing it). Unemployment is on the rise, the middle class is disappearing. etc, etc, etc. I really could go on and on.

    Yes, you have to take the BLINDERS off to notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[bodyshot] View Post
    Dont even get me started on china, they are smart and insanely stupid all at the same time. Here is a typical exchange between me and a waiter at a Shanghai restaurant.

    Waiter: "What would you like to drink?"
    Me: "Just ice water"
    Waiter: "Sorry we dont have that"
    Me: "Are you sure?"
    Waiter: "Yes no ice water on menu"
    Me: "Can you just make me ice water?"
    Waiter: "No not possible"
    Me: "Really"
    Waiter: "Yes, we have no ice water"
    Me: "Do you have Ice?"
    Waiter: "Yes"
    Me: "Do you have water?"
    Waiter: "Yes"
    Me: "Can you put them together and give it to me?"
    Waiter: "Let me check..."

    Couple Minutes later I will get my Ice water.

    This is a country full of people that lack even the most basic problem solving skills (not that there aren't some exceptions), but honestly if you deviate from a set procedure or instructions their heads will explode right in front of you eyes. Which means it is a absolute BLAST to mess with them.

    YUP, the entire country is just like that one service industry waiter

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    Yeah, I'm alright, but I'm not selfish and I'm also not the entire country. Just by my income alone I'm in the upper 10% maybe upper 5. I also work for the government.

    We have a ten trillion dollar debt, double what it was 8 years ago, we have the largest deficit ever this year, we are involved in two wars that, under bush doctrine, have no end in sight. We have no foreign policy, we've lost all moral high ground with other nations. We're bailing out private banks with money that we don't have (we're just printing it). Unemployment is on the rise, the middle class is disappearing. etc, etc, etc. I really could go on and on.

    Yes, you have to take the BLINDERS off to notice.
    So why don't you quit your job and save the government your salary, if you are so unselfish?

    Look, we spend $10 billion in Iraq a month, that seems to be a lot of your beef. But look at California. We alone top that number per month. Federal budget, non war related, is nearly $3 trillion. Non defense related budget is greater than $2 trillion. I think the problem lies with our generous social programs and bloated pork projects. Do we need the Department of Health and Human Services? Department of Education? Department of Homeland Security? There are probably dozens of other government agencies that we can do without.

    Our operation in Iraq is drawing down, so your assertion of "no end in sight" is incorrect.

    Why do we need "moral highground?" How does that factor into our national interest? There is no moral in this world. You talk moral, others will take advantage of you. The only thing that backs us up is our overwhelming military power. You think China will give a shit what we say if they can match our military? Russia? The only reason they haven't brought us down is we are so much bigger both in military and economic might. You can have all the moral high ground you want. China and Russia will just show us the middle finger and do as they wish.

    The middle class seems to do fine. Everyone I know who is in the middle class continue with their lives. Unemployment is on the rise, but not greater than historical averages, and certainly far lower than any of the euro-socialist states. If you think 6% unemployment is bad, try 10% in Spain, France, and Germany, for a few decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[con] View Post
    So why don't you quit your job and save the government your salary, if you are so unselfish?

    Look, we spend $10 billion in Iraq a month, that seems to be a lot of your beef. But look at California. We alone top that number per month. Federal budget, non war related, is nearly $3 trillion. Non defense related budget is greater than $2 trillion. I think the problem lies with our generous social programs and bloated pork projects. Do we need the Department of Health and Human Services? Department of Education? Department of Homeland Security? There are probably dozens of other government agencies that we can do without.

    Our operation in Iraq is drawing down, so your assertion of "no end in sight" is incorrect.

    Why do we need "moral highground?" How does that factor into our national interest? There is no moral in this world. You talk moral, others will take advantage of you. The only thing that backs us up is our overwhelming military power. You think China will give a shit what we say if they can match our military? Russia? The only reason they haven't brought us down is we are so much bigger both in military and economic might. You can have all the moral high ground you want. China and Russia will just show us the middle finger and do as they wish.

    The middle class seems to do fine. Everyone I know who is in the middle class continue with their lives. Unemployment is on the rise, but not greater than historical averages, and certainly far lower than any of the euro-socialist states. If you think 6% unemployment is bad, try 10% in Spain, France, and Germany, for a few decades.


    Second time you've brought this up, and second time I will refute this easily. Difference being, unemployment in Europe is NOT a problem. They have social programs that still pay them a lot of money. Hell, in Germany you receive a check from the government if you have a PET. Kid you not. Many individuals have multiple pets as to acquire the additional funds (that as the sole purpose). Their unemployment rate is higher due to their highly socialist society (a majority of the countries). In Europe, many individuals prefer unemployment--however, still say they are searching for a job--thus still being considered unemployed, while still keeping their benefit checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[con] View Post
    Look, we spend $10 billion in Iraq a month, that seems to be a lot of your beef. But look at California. We alone top that number per month. Federal budget, non war related, is nearly $3 trillion. Non defense related budget is greater than $2 trillion. I think the problem lies with our generous social programs and bloated pork projects. Do we need the Department of Health and Human Services? Department of Education? Department of Homeland Security? There are probably dozens of other government agencies that we can do without.
    Con bro - in posts past I've respected your opinion, but in this thread you are making it pretty difficult. This is straight up troll material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    .....We have a ten trillion dollar debt, double what it was 8 years ago, we have the largest deficit ever this year, we are involved in two wars that, under bush doctrine, have no end in sight.
    Which one?
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    I'm well aware of the budget.

    We spend entirely too much on defense. The war in Iraq is a COMPLETE waste added on top of that spending.

    HHS, yeah, it's a lot and could use trimming and restructuring FOR SURE, such as removing subsidies for Big Pharma and Insurance companies.

    Do I believe we need those services that HELP this country? Yes I do, by all fucking means. Of course, I don't believe in entitlements, there should be work required before stuff like welfare comes into play. Kinda like FDR's works projects.

    The tax is being collected and I believe it is better spent improving the citizens and the infrastructure of this country rather than killing and bombing another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    I'm well aware of the budget.

    We spend entirely too much on defense. The war in Iraq is a COMPLETE waste added on top of that spending.

    HHS, yeah, it's a lot and could use trimming and restructuring FOR SURE, such as removing subsidies for Big Pharma and Insurance companies.

    Do I believe we need those services that HELP this country? Yes I do, by all fucking means. Of course, I don't believe in entitlements, there should be work required before stuff like welfare comes into play. Kinda like FDR's works projects.

    The tax is being collected and I believe it is better spent improving the citizens and the infrastructure of this country rather than killing and bombing another.

    best post in this entire thread.

    who is the best candidate to deliver that shiznit?
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    Con, you're whole "im gonna quit my job" argument is quite exaggerated. I would hope that you would not be satisfied with only having basic levels of subsistence (i.e a place to live, food and health care). I know you are just trying to make a point but you haven't followed through fully with the analysis. What about small business owner that had to close down his business because he went bankrupt paying for his wife's medical bills because she can't get insurance due to a pre-existing condition? That's 2-3 jobs created. Or the person that never was a small business owner and if he could crawl out under that health care debt would like to realise his idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[jenny] View Post
    best post in this entire thread.

    Who is the best candidate to deliver that shiznit?
    obama 08!

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    YUP, the entire country is just like that one service industry waiter
    That was just an example of a systematic problem I see with the education system of that country, because I can list of a hundred other examples both professional and service industry. I suggest you keep bullshit comments to yourself if you have no experience with the matter. (not that its ever stopped you before)

    And I am not saying EVERYONE in that country is like that, but enough that it is very noticeable in public, and in business it means I have to manage in a very specific ways to minimize its effects.
    Good lord are there no good games to play?

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    I think Bodyshot might be mad at Obama cuz a black guy was rude to him at Arby's once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[flamer] View Post
    Con, you're whole "im gonna quit my job" argument is quite exaggerated. I would hope that you would not be satisfied with only having basic levels of subsistence (i.e a place to live, food and health care). I know you are just trying to make a point but you haven't followed through fully with the analysis. What about small business owner that had to close down his business because he went bankrupt paying for his wife's medical bills because she can't get insurance due to a pre-existing condition? That's 2-3 jobs created. Or the person that never was a small business owner and if he could crawl out under that health care debt would like to realise his idea.
    Well, what about those same small business/self employed people who would pay a lot more taxes under Obama? Some just might choose to close up shop and enjoy his retirement rather than continue to work. Each small business might employ anywhere from just himself to 5 or 6 people. There go all those jobs because the extra taxes on the "rich" make it unattractive for a small business owner to continue. What else is gone with those jobs? Taxes. The very thing Obama wants to get.

    I bet there are more small business owners who will downsize or outright close shop with Obama's tax plan than the number of small business owners who has a wife with existing conditions that prevents her from getting insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    I'm well aware of the budget.

    We spend entirely too much on defense. The war in Iraq is a COMPLETE waste added on top of that spending.
    We don't know if it's a waste.

    What would you say if we invaded Germany with France and Britain in 1936, at the loss of 100,000 US servicemen, to prevent WW2 from happening?

    If WW2 as we know it never happened, how would we know that the price of not doing anything in 1936 is a war in 1939 and 400,000 dead US soldiers?

    We cannot perform an experiment with a controling factor to see whether the Iraq war was worth it. NOTHING happened. Maybe nothing happened because of the invasion. You've seen enough scifi shows talking about alternate timelines. We don't have that omnipotence to know everything. We can only do what we think is best at the time. You're monday morning quaterbacking. I'm monday morning quaterbacking. The end result is we haven't been attacked in the homeland since 9-11. I think that's pretty remarkable.

    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    HHS, yeah, it's a lot and could use trimming and restructuring FOR SURE, such as removing subsidies for Big Pharma and Insurance companies.
    I'm against all subsidies. But at the mean time, I think we should reduce corporate taxes. We have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world, right behind Japan. We are higher than Germany, France, UK, and all other industrialized nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    Do I believe we need those services that HELP this country? Yes I do, by all fucking means. Of course, I don't believe in entitlements, there should be work required before stuff like welfare comes into play. Kinda like FDR's works projects.
    Do you support Obama's "refundable tax credit?" That's entitlement. He wants to give a tax rebate to 95% of Americans when 40% pay no federal income tax. If someone pays no tax, how does he get a rebate?

    Quote Originally Posted by x[mr.bitch] View Post
    The tax is being collected and I believe it is better spent improving the citizens and the infrastructure of this country rather than killing and bombing another.
    We aren't killing and bombing other people for the fun of it. If we did, the casualty would be much higher. We could easily rack up 100,000 dead in a single night without using nuclear weapons. We are killing and bombing people who plan to bomb us. There are some innocent that get caught in the middle. But such is war. We at least try to avoid collateral damage. Our enemies is actually looking to create as much collateral damage as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[raider134] View Post
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    Second time you've brought this up, and second time I will refute this easily. Difference being, unemployment in Europe is NOT a problem. They have social programs that still pay them a lot of money. Hell, in Germany you receive a check from the government if you have a PET. Kid you not. Many individuals have multiple pets as to acquire the additional funds (that as the sole purpose). Their unemployment rate is higher due to their highly socialist society (a majority of the countries). In Europe, many individuals prefer unemployment--however, still say they are searching for a job--thus still being considered unemployed, while still keeping their benefit checks.
    You just made my point. When you have generous welfare system, people will stop working. Germany's debt is about as bad as ours in terms of percentage of GDP. We have a huge defense budget. Germany doesn't. Yet it's still in deep debt. Why?

    Germany's annual growth is about half as ours. Unemployment was double ours, now about 60% higher. We have a huge military that subsidized Germany's defense since WW2. Germany has a generous welfare system.

    I would rather we have a low unemployment rate with minimal welfare (emergency services), than to have a 10% unemployment rate with generous welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[method] View Post
    Con bro - in posts past I've respected your opinion, but in this thread you are making it pretty difficult. This is straight up troll material.
    What? Questioning the usefulness of our federal government's bureaucracy is now trolling?
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    Con's hypotheticals have become completely ridiculous. He is so far beyond either Meatman or Gunsafety. He is the Redscare of politics. : / How did this happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x[con] View Post
    What? Questioning the usefulness of our federal government's bureaucracy is now trolling?
    Nearly every single one of my friends got through college on financial aid. Without this "pork" they'd probably be flipping burgers. If thats not effective, I dont know what is.

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