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    Nebraska Safe Haven law

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27165057

    latest article regarding Nebraska's safe haven law. I find it interesting. Was wondering what some of you thought.

    For those of you who have no clue what a safe haven law is - it's a state adopted law that allows people to drop infants off at hospitals with out reprocussions - as opposed to dropping them off in the nearest dumpster, park bench, etc. There is no legal action taken against parent(s) as long as there is no suspicion of child abuse or neglect. The point being, to drop the children off prior to being the cause of abuse or neglect.

    Nebraska is one of the last 2 states to adopt a safe haven law. Our law seems to be unique in that it allows the parents to drop off any child under the age of 19. Originally they wanted to go with just infants as most states have done, but to gain support for it they opened it to all children under 19.

    Now, I have worked in both Nebraska and Iowa as a foster parent. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to some of the kids that exist out here. Unfortunately we seem to have more "bad" and "ugly" when it comes down to kids in the system. So I can see parents seeing this as a plausible outlet. If you know you're about to slap the shit out of your kid, drop them off for their safety, as well as yours.

    Some of these kids are uncontrollable. And some of the parents are just really bad at life, and can only do worse for their kids then they currently are. Nebraska is a hard state to get aide in - the system that controls Medicaid for low income families and for those who are put into the system via foster care, juvenile detention, or group homes has some very limited views on its responsibilities.

    My mother, who is a behavioral health therapist, co-owns one of the leading offices for therapy for the troubled teens of the Omaha & surrounding areas. She has worked with some of the kids who are being dropped off at hospitals under the safe haven law. In some cases, it's the only way to get them the help needed. They can't get the kid in to Boys Town or a group home/village with the current resources, but if they're dropped off and parental rights relinquished, the state has no choice but to get them treatment as needed. Is that abuse of the intended law? Or is it merely a bonus?

    Just curious what some other people were thinking on the subject - I only get the local perspective, which all seems to be negative. "not intended" or "abuse of the law" etc comes up a lot, yet there seems to be some praise from those outside Nebraska from children's rights activists and what not.

    Another article -


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...eft-kids_N.htm
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    The MSNBC article is light on details, but I was under the impression that these 'safe-haven' laws are generally intended to be very temporary and only apply when a child is in immediate danger. Indeed, the MSNBC article mentions Nebraska Health and Human Services officials claiming that is exactly the intent of the law. Sounds from the article like this particular law is written so broadly that it's allowing for quite a bit more than that.

    These safe-haven laws sound like a good idea for immediate needs, but I don't see any reason to expand them so that children can just be given up right on the spot, for good, with no questions asked. Parents who choose to bring kids into the world have a responsibility to their kids and an obligation to give them the best they can offer. If they can't offer them a proper home life, then we already have social services in place to find the kids a better home.

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    yes, but it's not that easy to give your kids to social services. They have waiting periods, studies that have to be done, paperwork to be filed, processes to be followed. And even if you get approved or they find some valid reason for you to give up your kids, you have to wait for an opening.

    And while this can take months, you're being driven to cross lines of abuse or neglect. But then I agree that parents who have kids have a responsibility to own up to. But I think we've probably all come across examples where they just should have been sterilized at birth to prevent any offspring. My own brother & his wife come to mind. 4 kids and haven't ever had the total care for all 4 of them at one time for any period of time that legitimitizes their claim to being a parent.

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    I know what it's like the go though the foster care system and group homes etc....

    In most cases this is probably the best idea to give kids with meth addicted and abusive parents a chance at success. (I say meth cause Nebraska/Iowa is FILLED with meth users, like my biological parents) I could have turned out way more fucked up than I am. But I did well for myself and make over 60k a year working with food. Sure glad it didn't turn out to be Mickey D's....

    I can safely say that had I not been through that system I would be either addicted heavily to something or in a prison somewhere with my biological father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x[rebequa] View Post
    yes, but it's not that easy to give your kids to social services. They have waiting periods, studies that have to be done, paperwork to be filed, processes to be followed. And even if you get approved or they find some valid reason for you to give up your kids, you have to wait for an opening.

    And while this can take months, you're being driven to cross lines of abuse or neglect. But then I agree that parents who have kids have a responsibility to own up to. But I think we've probably all come across examples where they just should have been sterilized at birth to prevent any offspring. My own brother & his wife come to mind. 4 kids and haven't ever had the total care for all 4 of them at one time for any period of time that legitimitizes their claim to being a parent.

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    It shouldn't be that easy to give your kids up to social services. That's entirely the point of what I posted before. If there is some immediate need to get your kids out of a dangerous or unhealthy living environment, I have no problem with these safe-haven laws. But to suggest that people should just be able to give their kids up, permanently, at a whim seems ludicrous. People who choose to have children have an obligation to take care of their kids as best they can. If they can't manage that, then yes, their kid(s) should live elsewhere, but it shouldn't be as easy as just dropping them off on a doorstep.

    As for kids in abusive or dangerous situations who aren't "safe-havened", the state can and does take those kids into protective custody while the social services paperwork is filled out. I don't see what an indiscrinimate safe-haven law does to improve what we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosyg View Post
    People who choose to have children have an obligation to take care of their kids as best they can. If they can't manage that, then yes, their kid(s) should live elsewhere, but it shouldn't be as easy as just dropping them off on a doorstep.
    No offense, but this is a pretty narrowminded view (which is pretty surprising coming from you). If someone can't deal with their kids, its infinitely better if they are passed to someone who can. For someone in that frame of mind, any sort of process could just stop their decision to pass their kids off and just continue to abuse/neglect them (or worse). I agree that this should never be the case, but thats not what happens in reality.

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    I'm not saying people should be forced to keep their kids no matter what. I'm saying that I think the process for giving your kids up should be slow and deliberate. Giving a child up should be hard to do.

    If a child is in danger and the state catches wind of it, we've already got a system where the child is put in protective custody until a better home can be found.

    Yes, there are some people too lazy or stupid or whatever to "go through the process", and these kids may suffer longer than we'd all like, but I'm not convinced that just dropping them off at the fire station on your way home from 7-11 is a better situation in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosyg View Post
    Method and I are in disagreement, con doesn't know who to argue with
    Yep, that's it. I can't decide who to disagree with.

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    I agree with Cosyg on the issue if the kids are living in a poor environment then yes of course it's ok. But the main issue is people are dropping their kids off and they're not infants they're in their teens! Which brings up the issue of parents just dropping them off at a whim due to their teens being difficult.

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    Nebraska Safe Haven law

    Sigh....... if you say so wildfire. Your hatred of law enforcement has been made very evident over a period of time on this forum. There is no rationale in your verbiage, no points of discussion, and its always just trash talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafelofs73 View Post
    Sigh....... if you say so wildfire. Your hatred of law enforcement has been made very evident over a period of time on this forum. There is no rationale in your verbiage, no points of discussion, and its always just trash talk.


    wtf is it with these old threads keep popping up?

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